Ultimate Axiom

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  latest WT, advice for Bible Studies

  by neat blue dog in

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  our goal is to help our bible student to grow spiritually.. .

  as his love for jehovah grows, however, he will likely begin to think about how he can help others, including those who are already part of the congregation.

  (matt.

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  JWs used to take great pride over never doing things like that, and it certainly never happened in my day. Now they have no shame. None at all.
  
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  Boys pre-teen sexuality / erections.? Why ? If only for procreation ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  this has been a bug bear my whole life i think and not really sure how to address it as nobody else ever seems to do so.. and it relates to the question if god really created humans .

  he did a shithouse job in this regard.. i can`t speak for females this is entirely a male thing.

  from my perspective.. male adolescents at a very ,very young age , babies , get erections periodically and it has nothing to do with sexual fantasies ,because they don`t even have an awareness of sex between a male and a female at this time.. and it is second inbuilt nature to masturbate to relieve, get rid of the erection .

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  Yes indeed, god did a very poor job in the design of the human race. Either that, or he's a very perverse individual. As you say, what’s the point of baby boys getting erections, and I might add, what’s the point of twelve year old girls menstruating? Why design boys and girls to become sexually mature over a decade before they are emotionally mature? And as if that’s not bad enough, he then makes it a sin for them to relieve the powerful urges involved.
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  Murmurs from the locals

  by Moster in

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  i was ministered to by several different people at a jw funeral i attended today.

  one older lady said to me, "you know the end is right around the corner, just look at the state of the world today".

  i said, "well yes but that has been the mantra for decades, remember 'stay alive till '75'".

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  "you know the end is right around the corner, just look at the state of the world today"

  Yep, that's more or less what they said in 1912.

  
  
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  New Armageddon date?

  by neat blue dog in

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  looking at the most recent wt the study article focuses on the jubilees.

  the made a separate box in the article to highlight the math behind jubilees, and i'm wondering if they're trying to get people thinking and stir up the pot without actually making a false prophecy.

  for instance: jubilees happened every 7 times 7 years.

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  It was counting jubilees that gave Rutherford his 1925 date, only he started from 1575 BCE. It's merely a case of pick a date, any date, to get the answer you want.

  
  
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  Overlapping Generations

  by Lost in the fog in

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  perhaps this explains why the gb have a fixation with time and chronology.

  also why they keep their adherents in a prison away from the real world.

  lol.

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  UA: you are too pessimistic

  I take your point waton, but if DS's reasoning had applied to the actual 1914 generation it would have taken them until about now to ditch the literal interpretation of generation, but they they ditched it almost 25 years ago. So I would expect them to ditch the "one generation with overlapping groups" comfortably before the passage of time proves it wrong. In any event, I will be long gone by then so I'll never know.
  
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  Overlapping Generations

  by Lost in the fog in

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  perhaps this explains why the gb have a fixation with time and chronology.

  also why they keep their adherents in a prison away from the real world.

  lol.

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  D. Splane does not teach overlapping generations

  Spot on!

  The WT does not teach "overlapping generations", it teaches "one" generation. One generation that includes people born in the 1890s with some born in the 1960s, so long as those people are of the anointed and their lives overlap while they were anointed. Those of the latter group could live into the 2050s, so they have about thirty years to come up with something else. I doubt I will live long enough to see that, but it will no doubt be something even more absurd, if that is even possible.
  
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  Why do JWs reject the 587/586 BCE date?

  by Doug Mason in

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  i do not want this to develop into another discussion on "607 bce date is wrong".. when the a-e section of "aid to bible understanding" was published, i was able to show that the article on "chronology" employed deceptive techniques when it cited its sources.

  whenever i provided jws the evidence in print, it was like water off a duck's back.

  "the brothers in brooklyn have done all the research, write to them", they would tell me.. i soon recognised that the jws followed the wts because of who it claimed to be.. it became clear that another, stronger force existed--the impact of shunning with the loss of close friendships and with the impact on their family relationships.. one could only stand by with concern thinking of the impact of the cognitive dissonance and observing the regular changes requiring lock-step obedience.

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  The debate over 607/606 v 587 is not new. In the October 1st Watchtower 1904 page 296 (RP 3436) the following letter was published;

  

  Russell’s answer covered several pages and included the following;

  
  

  He then went on to explain how the year 587 would do irreparable damage to his parallel dispensations theories published in his "Divine Plan of The Ages".

  Thus JWs reject 587 purely on the basis of Russell's parallel dispensation, although they don't actually know that.
  
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  Weird Jehovah’s Witnesses

  by minimus in

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  is it my imagination or are most witnesses weird, odd, and “different “?

  it seems every congregation has a couple of weirdo elders, pioneers and ministerial servants.

  and then you see those witnesses who attend meetings but most people seldom associate with them because... they are eccentric..

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  A long standing elder told me recently that the reason there are so many weird people among JWs is that no other organisation would have them.
  
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  I hate it when they say; “Don’t worry, Jehovah will take care of it”

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. watchtower
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  i happen to run into a couple of elders and one of their bible studies was with them.

  after we said our formal greetings to each other we caught up on each other’s history.

  somehow the conversation took a turn into politics.

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  They don't live in a way that indicates they actually believe the world will not last more than a few years

  Spot on! And that’s been the case throughout my lifetime at least. There were those back in 1914 who didn’t plant next year’s crops, but since then most JW’s have hedged their bets.

  There are exceptions of course, like those who sold their homes in the 1970s to pioneer till the end and sadly paid the price. ‘Jehovah will take care of it' is similar to the WT's other favourite piece of advice, ‘seek first the kingdom and everything else will be added to you’.

  In this case however, they cannot hide behind the ‘group’ thing that blondie has pointed out, for that is definitely aimed at the individual. Of course, anyone naïve and stupid enough (like me when I was young) to take that at face value quickly learns that nothing is added, except hunger pains.
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  Massive Shout Out to (JW) life saving Irish Doctor!

  by Diogenesister in

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  can we get the most massive shout out for retired surgeon dr. don macnamarra.

  at point 16.29 in the radio show you can hear him discuss doing what i have always dreamed of doing.. a young woman came in through.a & e, victims of an rta, with a ruptured spleen.

  there is no alternative in this case but immediate surgical intervention and literally pints of blood.

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  So, she’s glad he sinned, but she’d be happy for Jehovah to condemn his for doing so. JW hypocrisy never ceases to amuse.

  smiddy3 - quite agree, it must be a very heavy burden to carry around for the rest of your life. Is it right for the rest of us to say that we are 'glad' we never had to face that choice? For when I was PIMI I would have refused my child blood, and it is only good fortune that I have not had to pay the price for that decision.